N320 vs titegroup. 0 Titegroup for 130 PF 1. All my nines love this bullet. TiteGROUP is a very good slow powder that is suitable for "fast" one ounce and 1-1/8 ounce loads. Shoots soft and about 130pf. If you are using glock or any other guns with a unsupported barrel i recommend you buy a aftermarket barrel for it. L. Wobbley Admin Posts: 4756 Join date: 2015-02-12. Also, tried working up some soft 45acp target loads, but found N320 doesn't like to be loaded light - lots of unburned powder. I used dirty ole I just looked at a few powder burn rate charts and W231 and HP-38 fall between N320 and N330, with N310 being about at the very top of the chart. N320 is popular too - and clean burning. It really doesn't matter. TG and N320 are the best two 40cal powders anyway. For USPSA, MBX buffer system (). 2gr of Titegroup under 147gr 9mm has been use for years buy so many people with pistols to carbines to sub guns with no issues The three powders you usually hear coming up when someone speaks of long loaded 40 S&W (read: > 1. N320 definitely burns cleaner and makes less smoke. Titegroup is good, but was much dirtier for me. With that said, any of the common powders in that energy For accuracy and especially at longer distances my best results came with Titegroup and HS6the longer the bearing surface the better my pistols and carbines shoot. Alliant American Select 13. 357 Magnum - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #1 So last night I orderd new dies for loading . 8 with 124's have been good loads for me. I'm actually using less of a cheaper powder to make major PF with 180gr RNFP in my Limited guns (made 172pf at MS Classic using 4. TiteGroup 3. Titegroup and conventional cast bullets is very smokey and as I recall the same with moly coated too. Former N320 user here and I've been using it now for about 4 months for 9mm afer my dealer ran out of big jugs of N320 and saying there was a shortage. Shoot N320 through a stainless steel gun and you will see what I mean. I did a little experimenting today. 5gr of Titegroup under a 185gr LSWC. Usually, it is also with bullets of a max weight of 180 gr. I use 3. 5gr of titegroup. TiteGroup is one of four powders I load, and the one I use the most. I don't find it noticeably cooler or softer but I do find it significantly cleaner. A good load might end up costing more per round than a comparable load using another powder. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! I'm using 3. Do any of you have a preference of either of these powders, N320 vs. Looking for load using n320, n340 or Titegroup. 8 gr of N320 and 3gr of WST with the 165s, giving me about 130 PF. 40 5" barrel. I do I've been using Titegroup for both my 9 mm and . As for a load use the Hodgen info to determine MAXIMUM grains and start 5 According to the article, the granules more resemble Titegroup indicating that they are from that same process. Blue Dot N320 This powder has a loyal following because of its versatility in producing light to medium loads in commonly loaded calibers. 34 cc disk it dropped 4. 4g Competition. Varget (Hodgdon) 2. 2gr TG with a 124gr West Coast has less blast for me than the equivalent load with N320. Temp was 72 that day. Blue Dot (Alliant) Titegroup is a great powder, but it burns really hot in comparison to Viht 320 (Titegroup being a double base powder (high nitro content) versus the single base n320). 10 OAL. This is a flattened spherical powder. WST, Ramshot Competition, Titegroup, Claydot and few others I haven’t thought of for 40 like W231 and IMR What other powder do you have? BE, Titegroup and VV N310 have worked the best for me. This makes for a very accurate round. Titegroup, 700X, Power Pistol, AA7, Unigue- but my standard load for a while has been WSF under a SNS coated 147gr for 9mm. The universal load that shoot in every gun was an actual weight of 245 grain, round flat, using either 5. Compared to other powders that provide similar load data and results, such as Titegroup, N320 burns much cleaner. 45 loads have been with Titegroup. 77 N330 One rotation of my Dillon Powder measure adjuster adds 0. It's "sooty", but cleaned up pretty easily with Hoppe's Elite -- didn't need to be scrubbed very hard to clean out. BBI uses a different coating than Blue bullets as far as I know. 135 HdyHP-XTP 200 True Blue 6. 0 of TiteGroup for everything, pins, plates, IDPA/USPSA/SC. Nothing is "softer" than clays with heavy bullets, but thats just me Using Precision’s 125gr RN coated I was able to make Minor PF with 3. With Bayou’s 124gr RN coated I used 3. 2 N320 works great too. These two seem to be the favorite. When we consider all the factors that make for a good pistol powder, we think N320 is one of the best Sport pistol! I have tried titegroup and N320, and sport pistol is just a better powder in terms of weighing pros and cons. 1 Ba 7 ˜⁄˛ 3N38 RS24 IMR Blue P806 No. Way Why does everyone seem to like n320 so much? It seems like the velocities listed are pretty low compared to the other slower burning powder . Bullseye is such a dirty powder that I'm amazed so many people are still using it. Titegroup is also more readily available around here and cheaper (although using about 5 grains at a time it's Titegroup/High gun Should be compared more to Green Dot,International. i attribute the inconsistent results with the adjustable bar to It looks exactly like TiteGroup and according to my data the burn rate is close enough. Its nitroglycerin content is 37 percent; its bulk density is . Dec 25, 2006 533 37 Minneapolis, MN. 45 Colt The . Up until now, I have shot thousands of 124 gr plated I switched to N320 after experimenting with TG because. 2 grains or so 3. 1” Staccato. FWIW. 0 891 Recently switched to N320 from Titegroup. 135, 3. (This is with lead or poly/moly coated bullets). Ramshot Silhouette. I also have tried some VV N320 with good results. because (with time considered) there isn't a significant savings in reloading target ammo vs buying it. I use Hodgdon’s Titegroup for many of my loads. 89 posts · Joined 2000 Add to quote; Only show this user #21 To be honest with you the word 'soft' probably shouldn't be used when examining the recoil of fast powders like Titegroup and N320. burns clean; not expensive; easy to get; a little goes a long way; easy to see a double charge; makes power HP38, Titegroup, N320, Bullseye, IMR Target to name a few. I hope to get to the range this Saturday to test them out. Also, in my experience weather conditions have an influence on the amount of smoke any load produces. This took my 4. 0 Titegroup with 160 Bayou gives 135 pf for me. HS-7 (Hodgdon) 117. N320 is very mild and consistent in 9mm. They should be around 915-925 fps. More sharing options CZ85Combat. Recoil wise its close to N320 but almost half the price. The economical competition powder. The . 135 PF Steel Challenge - 105 grain Bayou Bullets Funnel Point, 2. I load 4. Vihtavuori Smokeless Powder is used by the some of the best shooters and manufacturers in the competitive shooting industry, they have gained an Nearly every shooter that uses this powder comments on how clean it burns. The best powder ultimately depends on factors such as your specific firearm, desired performance, and personal preferences. 1-3. 0 grains for IDPA and practice. 4 of titegroup today was 130 power factor in the G17, Blue bullets have always ran faster. A bit hot for some, but not bad in my opinion. Hodgdon Clays 15. Alliant Bullseye, Hodgdon Clays, and Hodgdon Titegroup all produced similar results, with most 15-shot groups under 2 inches and the better groups around 1. If you are concerned about smoke, I think you will find TG worse than the others in the list. R. Those are the 2 I'd recommend. 69 WST 0. How is Titegroup with the new HI-Tek coating? Those particular ones were SNS 147gr with 3. 423 crimp, WSP, 185 gr. 5 Titegroup. 3 grains WST or N320). 179 I've found some bullet weights require a "heavier load" of N320 to achieve the same results as W321 or Titegroup, so the number of loads per pound go down. _____ . 1 gr gets 135 pF with 125 JHP's in a G34. sawgunner2001 Sergeant. 6927 posts · Joined 2009 Add to quote; Only show I think they recommended 124's with N320, 1. Ramshot Competition 17. Has anyone made a chart to show which powders are comparable, or intended as replacements for other powders, e. 147 handily makes minor with Titegroup and N320 (I've checked several thousand times) but may not do so with Clays or N310 (which are crazy fast). (ft/s) Pressure 230 GR. 9 grains of titegroup. I load 124 grn 9mm plated over 4. 38 Spl, . From the start I've wondered if it isn't just TiteGroup with some other additives that alter the burn rate. WSF. Re: WST powder vs Bullseye. 2 with 147's and 3. you may hear some folks complain about titegroup making barrel hot as we get into summer with warmer temps. 5 Looking through the "pet 9mm minor load" post it seems that 17 shooters are using NV320 and 15 shooters are using TiteGroup making these two powders the favorites, although Solo and Universal also have close to 10 mentions per. I've heard titegroup and coated bullets just smoke alot and that's the name of the game. ). I've never shot 147 gr ammo before. A medium dark gray in color, the powder has a bulk density of . decided to switch to titegroup for the second 1k. These powders are best used for target competition 17 hodgdon titegroup 75 norma 200 133 hodgdon h4350 26 vihtavuori n320 84 vihtavuori n130 142 ramshot hunter 27 accurate no. 5 inches Titegroup. 8 PP , 1. lightman Sergeant. N320, HP38, Sport Pistol, Clean Shot, W231, and probably other powders . wow. At 3. Winchester AA Plus 14. In fact, E. Unless your willing to use Garalindi or some other euro wad. Anymore, I shoot 147s with 4. Hodgdon Titegroup. 4 titegroup at 1. by BE Mike 9/18/2019, 7:46 am. Vihtavuori N320. The cases are dirty, your gun is dirty, its dirty. Titegroup meters extremely well - but it will not fill a case. 40 S&W with their 150-grain bullet of the 21 powders they tested. 45 Colt Reloading Data (Lee Precision Data) Warning! Notes: Large Pistol primer; with NEVER EXCEED LOADS maintain Minimum Over All Length or longer (Modern Reloading - Second Edition - Richard Lee) Reloading Data For The . Surprisingly with the n320 measuring a . I just opened up the Nosler box and a chart showing 5. Pistols seem to require a bit more oomph than rifles and subguns. Link to comment Share on other sites Share; Posted December 1, 2003. Advertisement Coins. N320 is cleaner, we tested it, it is, but N320 or Sport Pistol cannot match N330 in velocity across all weights of 9MM bullet loads, not even Looking through the "pet 9mm minor load" post it seems that 17 shooters are using NV320 and 15 shooters are using TiteGroup making these two powders the favorites, although Solo and Universal also have close to 10 mentions per. I loaded up some 357 magnums 125gr xtp with 7. My 'fallback' is Titegroup. Titegroup runs like water through the 550. It's a great powder for my 1911's. Universal Clays. 45 Discussion starter 15263 posts · Joined 2008 Add to quote; Only show this user Vihtavuori N320 Smokeless Powder for Handguns. I've found some bullet weights require a "heavier load" of N320 to achieve the same results as W321 or Titegroup, so the number of loads per pound go down. I called BBI and asked their recommendations you can find some info out in arguments of Vv N320 vs Hodgdon Titegroup among 40sw loaders that shoot competively. 2gr Titegroup, 124gr X-Treme plated hollow point (non-expanding, but accurate bullet). i decided to try the auto-disk disks and they are brilliant: with the 0. 45 I've shot bayou 105 grain coated bullet with 3. 5-3. It got too hard to get and they went to N320 for lightweights and N340 for slightly quicker loads that ran the comp better, much more gas. All that said, VV N320, N330, and N340 can be used for all those cartridges. Might be something worth starting, and getting everyone to contribute to, and then get it laid out in a poster for printing. 4 802 Start 160 1. 45 ACP. Even if you don't load to that velocity, I'd be interested in seeing your charge vs. N330. A close look at the individual granules shows them to be quite irregular in shape, denoting they are from the same family of Titegroup/High gun Should be compared more to Green Dot,International. N320 RS12 International 700X WSH Solo 1000 Ba 9 ˜⁄˛ Red Dot BP 01 Titegroup No. Those are very close to what we get in a PM9 using VV N320. Accurate #2. 5gn titegroup. 2 grains of VV N320 for a power factor of 130 out of my 4. For Steel Challenge, a simple Spikes Tactical H1. There are several powders that are commonly used for . Lead/Coated Charge Difference 40sw Titegroup & N320 Jacketed vs. as I've used Titegroup, Win 231/Hp38, Bullseye, Power Pistol. Popular powder choices include: AA #5 (Accurate Powder); Bullseye (Alliant); Clays, HP-38, and Titegroup (Hodgdon); VV N310, N320, N340 (Vihtavuori); and WW 231 and WST (Winchester). It's dirtier for sure, and not quite as soft as n320 - but reliable and usually cheap and not hard to find. Can you guys tell me of any advantages of using Titegroup over Bullseye powder for my 9mm loads. But good luck finding it. 8 Titegroup, WLP, Sierra 4. Very fine powder, dense. By mikeg1005 March 26, 2015 in 10mm/40 Caliber. The greatest obstacle to discovering the truth is being convinced you already know it The chamber remains relatively clean. 45 Colt, including bullet weight, shellholders, and other specifications. I can see why some people say N320 meters much better than Titegroup due to its ball/stick shape. Its burn rate is similar to Winchester 231, Accurate #2 and Red Dot. We did test other powders on a smaller scale and I am confident I could get any of the normal fast shotgun/pistol powder to equal the titegroup. Intended for 9mm minor for USPSA. But people recommended powders like Titegroup, N320, CFE, Power Pistol. In the past, Ive just switched from the 180 and changed nothing but the bullet and moved to 165s. 3 fps 32. 44mag exclusively. mikeg1005. Titegroup has it all – low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. 7gr of WST with 124gr jacketed and there isn't I load 124 grn 9mm plated over 4. Accurate #5. N320, or AA#2. LSWC with 5. In which case I'd recommend N320 or N330. Then you can use Titegroup. 9-5. 2 12. For a guide info Hodgdon Clay is number 10 ten, and Titegroup is number 14 fourteen, The list has 144 powders on same at the latest printing. Titewad is a better choice. RudyVey. Lovex D032. I loaded up a bunch over a charge of titegroup and most likely Winchester lpp. For shooting production with 9mm, N320 is fine, soft and accurate, if you want the most accuracy out of a 9mm then N340 is the powder of choice for many bullseye shooters. Posted: 1/15/2021 8:52:37 PM EDT [#30] Accurate #5 is a very close match to TrueBlue. Premium Powerups Like ridiculously great accuracy and obviously cleaner than Titegroup. Note: This table shows only approximate equivalent values within about 5%. Re: Is N320 worth the $$$ for loading subs? Um 3. Scot 453 22. But solo 1000 differs from batch-to-batch, so you generally need to chrono your loads and adjust your charge accordingly. Nearly every shooter that uses this powder comments on how clean it burns. Use a TGT-12s wad. 2 gr of TG. I've had real good luck with N320 and N340. Vinkemulder Posts: 58 Join date: 2019-12-10 Location: West Michigan. But when I check a Nov 2023 burn rate chart the slowest powder, CFE, is 45 out of 175 powders (#1 being fastest). Like faster sibling N310, N320 has a reputation for accuracy and is a favorite powder for competitors in bullseye and action shooting sports. Classifieds; Para P16. 9 grains of Vihtavuori N320, OAL 1. 30-06. Averages 131 PF in my gun. 45 ACP handguns. 0 gn of titegroup, with the 0. Go with the N320, you'll like it. 140 OAL with 3. At the time I owned a Para GI Expert in stainless and a Springfield XDs. POI vs POA, and probably some more I can't think of. I used 2. 357Mag with Lil'Gun and . Titgroup is much easier to get than the VVN320 so that is usually a good decision plus it is much less expensive. The normal powders for 9mm are titegroup cfe pistol and power pistol. 122 for my pistol. To run the different loads, the recoil buffer is changed. Running 124 right now, but got a decent local supplier for 115. Nate7667. I use both bullet brands depending on price and to me, BBI is a little cleaner. 5gr of W231/HP38 over a 115gr (coated or plated) is also pretty standard. I haven't chronographed any plated bullets with it but 147gr Precision Molys with 3. As stated in my other post I was given free Titegroup powder. Hodgdon HP38 20. N330 is, by many, considered an ideal 9mm powder. More sharing options Dream. 045 . Plenty accurate and soft Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk. and 8 lb. Vihta Vuori N320 16. 5gr of TiteGroup and an OAL of 1. As is true of all Winchester powders, W-244 is a double-base Ball powder. Currently load DG 135GN bullets with 3. I also like the Titegroup powder but also have Unique. Both are very accurate for me , both meter well in my Dillon powder throw, although n320 is slightly more consistent metering, but n320 is so much cleaner and less smokey. I use Glock 34. N320 is = to AP50N (sold here by ADI, not sure if they sell it in the US, but it's an excellent 9mm minor powder. If you haven’t tried VV N320 yet, you should. I've been shooting 115 gr Xtreme RN with 4 gr of Titegroup exclusively but I just ordered some of their 124 gr HP and HPCB bullets. Clays Vs Titegroup. I've only had experience shooting HP-38, ETR-7, and Titegroup. The bulk density os . 38 Sp reloads with both JHP and lead bullets but have no gone over almost exclusively to coated Blue Bullets. I actually got my Well I may have to try it out soon. I use both. 40 standard deviation 3. it is a little less snappy and I sometimes shoot 500 to 1000 rounds in a day and there HUGE difference between a glock with 1000 rounds of TG through it and one with 1000 rounds of N320 thru it. While I was there I bought a box of 500 LSWC and 500 LRNFP from bumblebee bullets. However, as others have found - my load data between N320 and ASP in both loads (9mm minor AND 40 Major) seemed to A medium dark gray in color, the powder has a bulk density of . 135's over 3. 5 gr (If I remember correctly) of Titegroup. A few years back I was in UT and attended a gun show there. 7 D037. I understand N320 is very good for loads in . I use titegroup in the 40 and have used titegroup and clays in the 9. I have tried CFE pistol and it meters so damn well but had SD all over the place. I still have about 20# of Titegroup and an 8# jug of Unique to go through before I bother trying anything else. I have used N320 under a 115gr JHP, use about 4. Dream. Like faster sibling N310, N320 has a reputation for accuracy and is a favorite powder for . The guy I buy my powder from cut me a deal so I tried a 4lb jug of Titegroup. If your loading straight walled hulls. I think the BBI bullets are more like the Hi-tek coating, but thinner. 7grs with a Precision Delta 147gr FMJ was a I've used Vit N320 for the past 9 years. 16 standard deviation I'll bet 2. TG. Precision RNFPs on 90° day = 170 PF. 5" rested at 15 yards out of a 4" 686. Grs. 310 is a bit too fast for my liking. 3. Powders like Vihtavuori N320, Hodgdon CFE Pistol, and Winchester AutoComp are decided to switch to titegroup for the second 1k. Re: New P801 Trail Boss Titegroup Solo 1000 231 Bullseye Clays452Competition N320 RS12 Hi-Skor700X No. Back off your N320 charge weight about 5% with TiteGroup and you should be really close. As an example one of my favorite loads in . Liked TG other than that. Those 2 stand out among the group. Mine was coming almost 2 inches off the rest, his stayed put. 115 with a . Titegroup is a double with Nitro and supposedly can make a barrel hot easily. TG is relatively cheap and reasonably available. Like . Winchester 452AA 21. 45 Colt with Lee Precision Data is a very popular load. Recommended Posts. I usually run 1. N320 is definitely 20%+ more expensive! 40sw Titegroup & N320 Jacketed vs. I found some tried and fell in love, but that was the only bottle I ever found. . The recoil peaks is slightly less with the SP, closer to N320. When we consider the factors that make for a good pistol powder, we think N320 is one of the best Loading 200 gr BBI with N320. I found a lot of Titegroup data with short OALs, but I couldn't find a load with them longer. 0 grain over a 200gr. Like 800 ft/s vs 1600 ft/s inconsistent with exactly the same powder weight. ” N320 is also a popular load among several of my friends. VV N320 is all I use. 45 acp is 4. 0gr were low, the whole group must have been 3" low from poa but they felt good. Link to A local GM suggested this approach and it has been really good for me. I had the opposite impression of N320 vs. Dec 21, 2009 #7 I have used VV n310 and n320 in both 9mm and 45. 1+ish, and went 137+ at the last two major chrono's. You can see, compared to Titegroup, this powder is VASTLY cleaner, less soot. Hard to beat Titegroup for the money, its not the cleanest, but also not super dirty. There's heavy and there's HEAVY. Talk about difference. I switched to ASP from Titegroup in 9 minor and HP38/WIN231 in 40 Major. ~1. 49 standard deviation Winchester factory 95 grain fmj 878. Accurate No. When we consider all the factors that make for a good pistol powder, we think Vihtavuori N320 is one of the best available propellants for the . 160 oal. I'm thinking about working up a 115gr 9mm Titegroup load for my PCC. N310 (Vihtavuori) 60. 69 N320 0. 180 out of a 5 inch 2011 and 1911. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. ) Currently, I am running Xtreme 124gr FPs out of a Shadow 2. N340? I have been using Win231 and Titegroup for the XDm-40 but have been craving trying a N320 fills almost half the case with small loads, because its a good size stick powder Titegroup on left, IMR 4756 in middle, N320 on right. 37 gr of N320 at an OAL of 1. It's very dense, meaning a small change in volume is a big change in weight. ronin. Without suppressor, same, shoots clean, not a lot of black soot, or grime at all. ) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. I load . 1. Alliant Green Dot Hodgdon Titegroup. What I've shot a lot of this past year is Nobel Sport Prima V. Looking at VV's reloading app shows 6 9mm loads with N310 and almost 30 loads with N320. Try some, you won’t regret it. I switching back to 231. So far I love it as well. 45 Discussion starter 15263 posts · Joined 2008 Add to quote; Only show this user New to reloading and found 2# of VV N320 yesterday. 8 822 Max 164 1. For me, my 650 won't meter N320 at all. N320 is not as snappy but emits lots of distracting sparks from the muzzle and does nothing WST and Titegroup can't given it's expense and availability. 135. 1 of N320 for coated 147 gr, so 2. I find that Titegroup wopks well for both of those and is (usually) readily available. 7gr of Titegroup, and that is close to max load and 980fps, I don't see any need to try it out. 800 g/cc. I know some folks that like Solo 1000 for 124/147 gr loads. 680 g/cc, giving it a case-filling attribute when used in small-capacity pistol cartridges. HP38, Titegroup, N320, Bullseye, IMR Target to name a few. 09 OAL Link to comment 158 gr SWC (Bayou) over 3. NG content is 37%. 2 - 6. I agree with Steve that it does leave the brown haze on my gun, but I don't care - it wipes off easily. Test target for my Wilson Classic lists following load: 4. The premium competition powder. My question is if NV320 and TiteGroup were the same price would that . N320 fills almost half the case with small loads, because its a good size stick powder. 125 HdyHP-XTP 200 True Blue 5. Classifieds; 396 Location: South Plain field, NJ; Share; Access published manufacturer loading data for . N320 is very pricey and hard to get. Kyle D Leister (verified owner) – Beye vs Titegroup?? Jump to Latest 7K views 31 replies 17 participants last post by fredj338 Jan 2, 2013. I've been looking at accurate #2, ZIP, and W231, but don't have any experience with them. 3gr's of Titegroup and Winchester small pistol primers at an OAL of 1. It really doesn't make much difference. I turned the power bar knob 1/4 turn, which usually changes the powder amount dramatically for Titegroup, but nothing happens with N320. with a 124 gr JHP 4. 45 ACP and does not throw sparks or debris from the chamber of the barrel like WW-231 does, nor does it burn the side of the case like TiteGroup does. N330 burns nearly completely, and doesn't gunk up the gun at all. I use N320. 45ACP with vihtavuori N320; . Why does everyone seem to like n320 so much? It seems like the velocities listed are pretty low compared to the other slower burning powder . May 18, 2009 1,461 746 67 England, ar. More sharing options RudyVey. Posted: 7/9/2018 3:55:57 PM EDT [#28] I was using Unique and most recently Auto Comp. 2. Been testing Gallant 135 round nose . Hmm. Aug 3, 2014 Besides titegroup, other powders that work well for light recoil with cast bullets at minor PF:-Alliant E3-Alliant Red Dot/Promo meh. To all members of our Armed Forces - past, present and future - thank you for your service to our I like Titegroup but switched to N320 earlier this year. 6 gr N320 @1. Winchester WST 19. So far my most accurate . I was fairly excited to find such economical bullets. Not too smokey outdoors. 135 target OAL from all of my 9s. Hodgdon Powder offers the largest selection of quality smokeless propellants for any reloading application. Titegroup and Clays worked much better for that. 45 ACP 📊 Smokeless Powder Comparison Mfg Chart - 1895Gunner. Watching my gun be shot by the chrono guy off a rest, vs another shadow with N310 and a 147gr . As a 9mm reloading There's a letter that came with the gun that recommends a 200gr. It makes power factor, and the recoil is negligible. I would switch back to Titegroup in a moment if need be and I will keep the 5lbs sitting in the cupboard in case supply becomes an issue at some point but for now I'm liking the end result with the N320. But compared to N320, Titepoop is hotter, dirtier, smokier, and snappier. R-1 (Norma) 59. Posted April 10, 2016. With the differences in Titegroup, Bullseye, and N320, does it make sense to have different powder for local match ammo (Titegroup) and major match ammo (like N320)? Titegroup is the 3 left cases, the dirty, sooty ones.  It has applications for using in calibers up to 44 Special and 45 ACP. Its burning rate is slower than Bullseye, on a par with American Select among Alliant powders and similar to Hodgdon’s Titegroup and Vihtavuori’s N320, among its likely competitors. Loaded them over 4. And TG is really cheap. Looking for some suggestions on load data for 9MM 124g RMR FMJ with mostly F. 5 gr titegroup behind a zero 185 JHP is a very good long line load. Will be for steel challenge. 2gr and it should run 130pf or thereabouts. HS-6 is a far superior power for 9mm than Titegroup if you are wanting to load full power loads in the 115-124 gr bullet range. I have a bunch of X-treme 180gr plated HPs. The 115-grain HAP is a good, general practice and target bullet. There are thousands of competitors loading a 147 9mm with n320 and making power factor. Haven't seen any loads using Unique except for the 180gr bullets, and since the M&P really likes 4. After I tested it I switched to N320 and found loads that worked and gave me the velocities I needed for USPSA. Especially with coated Bullets. N340 is similar to Unique but cleaner. 0gr of Titegroup for example: Series,34, Shots:, 5 Min,1356, Max,1448 N320? Titegroup? Solo? titegroup, sorry was writing that on a phone. To all members of our Armed Forces - past, present and future - thank you for your service to our For those that moved from Titegroup to either n320 or sport pistol what if any powder charge change did you have? I have 147 gr coated bullets. N320 meters very well through Dillon550B and is very clean burning. You can use the N340 and I have done so, but is it is not I have never used N310 but love the N320 with 5. The other load was a major load for my. It's ok, but I was getting extreme spreads of ~80fps, vs 35fps for Titegroup in 45acp major. 3gr's BE 1. Haven't done a lot of Bill drills yet to check splits, but recoil is the same. 130. L. The newer batches are fairly close to 320 in terms of burn rate, and it shoots cool and clean. Same MV with chrono. I think its overstated how glorious n320 is, but whatever. Cheaper, only slightly more dirty than n320(you have to shoot a lot to know) and it doesn’t burn as hot as titegroup. 1 of N320, for 124 JHP and N340, 4. 7 grains Titegroup push your 95 grain bullets at factory velocity. From the Glock 17 9mm 4. I still like Titegroup, but Sport Pistol is now my preferred powder in this application, with TiteGroup and N320 now as Looking through the "pet 9mm minor load" post it seems that 17 shooters are using NV320 and 15 shooters are using TiteGroup making these two powders the favorites, although Solo and Universal also have close to 10 mentions per. 7 gr N320 @1. Looking for low recoil for plinking for HK VP9, VP9L, P2000, P30, SP5K and a couple of B&T subguns. 185, . ron59. IMR 700X 25. Just shot a match this past I'm using 3. So I loaded up 20 test rounds with 3. Aug 3, 2014 Besides titegroup, other powders that work well for light recoil with cast bullets at minor PF:-Alliant E3-Alliant Red Dot/Promo 4. 7gr TiteGroup and an OAL of 1. brass (once-fired by myself). 1 fps 23. MIGHT seem to get better sight tracking with N320, but I don't have objective data yet. Actual burning rates can vary depending on the calibre, firearm, loading components and practices, as well as from powder lot to lot. Jack H Posts: 2690 Join date: 2011-06-10 Age: 75 4. Some folks use N310, but in my opinion, that powder is too fast. Laser-cast or Penn LSWC. Here's 8. Best bet is to start at the low end, increase towards max and test them with a Lovex D032 (Shooters World Cleanshot is near Accurate #2 in clean. Which just do happens to be a pretty ideal velocity for subsonics. I have only used sport pistol and I've only worked up a load for . The main differences between If it is for competition then N320 is generally considered the standard for reduced recoil and cleanliness. 2 gr of Bullseye. I expected it to be super-accurate and produce the lightest recoil impulse of any powder available. Doesn't make PF but that's not what I use it for. Save Share Reply Quote Like. 2 85 hodgdon h322 143 vihtavuori n160 28 ramshot zip 86 accurate 2015br 144 vihtavuori n555 29 hodgdon hp-38 87 alliant reloder 10x 145 norma 205 I have never used N320 but do use Titegroup for my 9 loads. Titegroup is awesome powder (I call it the 21st century Bullseye) but too snappy. In my experience, given the same power factor, WST shoots softer than N320 and Titegroup in that order. I haven’t used titegroup, but the recipes I have seen are about the same as what I used for N320. 10gr over and under it stayed with 20fps of target. Popular choices include: AA #5 (Accurate Powder); Bullseye (Alliant); Clays, HP-38, and Titegroup (Hodgdon); VV N310 and N320 (Vihtavuori); and WW 231 and WST (Winchester). 7gr of WST with 124gr jacketed and there isn't Thanks for the data. Thanks in advance ! About a year ago, I started using Titegroup seriously, and this powder was one that I sort of abandoned. 9 of TG sounds like a good place to start. 170" OAL) are TG, Clays and N320. If you gonna play with fast powders buy a good Chrono and I was a big fan of N320, used it religiously in 9mm minor and 40 major loadsthen I tried Sport Pistol. Don't load 45 or 147's in 9mmso can't comment. When we consider the factors that make for a good pistol powder, we think N320 is one of the best For shooting production with 9mm, N320 is fine, soft and accurate, if you want the most accuracy out of a 9mm then N340 is the powder of choice for many bullseye shooters. I personally use titegroup for plinking rounds. I normally load Xtreme 147gr with Titegroup 3. Steel head Feral kitten. Shooting doesn't get much lighter. The two loads that made ~135PF were CCI Primer, Win Case, 147g MGB, 1. Without hijacking the thread too badly, have you compared X-treme's 115 vs 124 vs 147 regarding accuracy/recoil? I'm just getting into IDPA and steel plate shoots at my club and For . I have not used it but VV N320 has been recommended as one of the cleanest out there. The ones at 7. All Activity; Home ; Technical ; General Reloading ; 10mm/40 Caliber ; Titegroup vs VV-N320 for 40 cal Limited Looking for something I can use since I cant find titegroup in stock. 2 grains of titegroup, and oal of 1. Link to comment Share on other sites. 4 gr. N320 is probably the best powder out there for 9mm, the problem is cost and availability. 0 coins. O. 15, 124 PD fmj, and of course the CZ didn't like that very well. I haven’t found anything cheaper than Titegroup for powder when you consider how little of it you use per round. Out5 of about 10 powders, the closest powder in burn rate for my testing was WST. Vel. IMO, about a box (or 50 rounds) a year is in the The powders used by Bullseye shooters include VihtaVuori N310 and N320; Alliant Bullseye; Hodgdon 700-X, Clays, and Titegroup; and Winchester Super Target (WST) and 231. I ended up using 4. 40 Smith & Wesson - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #19 . Titewad/Nitro 100NF Should be compared to Red Dot,Clays,Clay Dot. Full Member. 9 D037. Alliant Power Pistol. I use 4. 45 ACP, on the other hand, Clays and N310 will both make major with a 230 all day, and that's heavy in the ACP. Winchester 231 23. I like N320, but we went through a time period where it was very difficult to get. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. AA#2 looks "barely" cleaner than other 2, but all 3 were "normal" as far as clean compared to other powders in 9MM. Just about anything works better, my favorite is N320 then WST (because 8# jugs are cheap), for minor I've used AutoComp and I like it. Usually use 147 but recently I have used N320 under a 115gr JHP, use about 4. 5 grains titegroup. 2 N320 loads were Dirty, means more than soot, its also UN-burned powder. Titegroup and Bullseye are two of the dirtiest, with Titegroup slightly dirtier. Well, about six months ago, I finally decided to spend nearly $200 and purchased 6lbs of it. 2gr 320 with a cci spp @ 1. The load I use is a DG 147gr FP over 3. (middle is IMR 4756, Right is N320, much cleaner powders) Titegroup. 00 standard deviation 2. The cost is slightly higher, about 10% and about 3% more powder needed per charge. However, stock is running low, so I am looking for some possible alternatives (at least what can be acquired at the moment. 2 SP2 Pract. See how they all leave like a "sandy" residue in case, and in gun? its barely noticeable and not that dirty really, its I'm using 3. When I close my eyes and shoot a 9mm n320 load and 9mm titegroup load into the berm, they feel the same, but TG is louder(to me) and I think that is where the "softer" comes from. It makes great bullseye 45 loads with a cast 185 or 200 SWC. 9mm and . Get about a 135pf. I mainly meant that you should try to be flexible and be willing to experiment a little vs trying to stick to creating an exact match of whatever factory load you normally buy. Vihtavuori N320 is very accurate, it meters well, and it burns clean, with minimal smoke and flash. I can use it in just about anything I could use Unique in and it meters far better than Unique. 2 N320 Both of these chronographed close to the 820fps of the old match loads. I am using titegroup because 231 was not available. 057. 0-4. I. 45 Discussion starter 15263 posts · Joined 2008 Add to quote; Only show this user So I have been married to Titegroup for quite some time because I had a ton of it. TiteGroup was quite accurate in metering (medium flake) but left a thick residue in the chamber that I hated. as “medium handgun loads. the adjustable charge bar was very inconsistent, varying by 0. I would be willing to wager that Alliant’s Bullseye, Winchester’s 231 (W-231) and its identical twin, Hodgdon’s HP-38 are the three most popular powders used to reload handgun cartridges defined by the Winchester powder licensee, Hodgdon Powder Co. 40S&W Tac Sport where Competition also beat N320. 12. 6grains of hp38/sport pistol/n320, and made it slightly sub major. 14" as my 40 minor load. 45 ACP ammunition, including Alliant Unique, Hodgdon Titegroup, and Winchester 231. Titegroup may work though. 5 grains of N320 under a rainier 155 @1. 9 grains Titegroup 864. 8 g of TiteGroup with these and the performance is fantastic. 148 OAL. I like the idea of I used TITEGROUP with great results in 44 Specialabout 5 grainsand 44 Magnum. Yes. Jump to Latest N320 and TG in 45, 9mm and 38/357 loads, the largest difference is that the VV powders are cleaner. 380 seems to be the limiting factor as it seems to prefer faster powder. 2 D032 N32C HP 38 WC231 S030 Green Dot AutoComp S020 True Blue N330 S035 A1 Universal WSF No. It's perhaps the cleanest powder I've shot. Recently switched to N320 from Titegroup. S. _____ The other load was a major load for my. For those that moved from Titegroup to either n320 or sport pistol what if any powder charge change did you have? I have 147 gr coated bullets. Accurate and super soft. 40 S&W loads either Titegroup or Vihta Vouri N320 is a great choice. The slower burning Unique and Power Pistol are less than ideal for competition. Posted March 26, 2015. 125" works well for me in a Glock 17 and 19, if I remember right it was at 135 power factor in the 17 and 132 in the 19. The other benefit is that it's a fluffy powder, so a double charge Fast powders are the preference here(USPSA low recoil loads). 130in, at last years Gator Classic it took 4. I like the idea of using the load that's recommended by the maker of my gun, but a lot of people that I know and people on this site use Titegroup. Link to comment This year I switched to n320 because I couldn’t reliably find sport pistol anymore. N-320 is a single-base powder that meters extremely well, burns clean, and provides consistent velocity with 200gr bullets. They (age 11 and 13) both said they were done shooting when the N320 / SR7625 box was empty. I'm looking for a nice easy target/plinking load using a 200 grain lead RN bullet from Penn Bullets. It would be more important, in my view, that accuracy, cleanliness, and cost be considered. 320 sounds just ever so much quieter and seems to smoke a bit less than Titegroup. 2 grains of Vihtavuori N320 for USPSA and 5. Vihtavuori N320 handgun powder is a fast-burning powder for use in light to mid-range target loads. This is commonplace with this powder. All the rest look similar, HP38, IMR target, N320, Sport Pistol all average dirty/clean depending how you want to look at it. I know a guy running an STI with the same bullets and he loads 4. Looking at Hodgden site for you can find some info out in arguments of Vv N320 vs Hodgdon Titegroup among 40sw loaders that shoot competively. You can see, compared to Titegroup, this powder is Titegroup, or titepoop as I have nicknamed it, is a decent and popular 9mm powder. I really like the XTP bullets and so does my XDS, which is my everyday carry pistol. Actual burning rates can vary depending on the caliber, firearm, loading components and practices, as well as from powder lot to lot. Share More sharing options Followers 0. I had two large containers of ammo, one with Titegroup ammo and the other with N320 and SR7625 ammo. CZ85Combat. As a consequence, it must be understood that Australian Munitions cannot accept any responsibility for the use of this 0. 0gr of titegroup, and then I did some 357 magnums 125gr xtp with the max charge of 7. Man-oh-man, was I disappointed with the . Shot this last weekend at the MS Classic and had a 173 PF at chrono. I let my kids shoot it up and noticed the container of N320 / SR7625 was empty and the Titegroup was near full. N320 is roughly twice the price of TG. i attribute the inconsistent results with the adjustable bar to N320 is also a popular load among several of my friends. But try N320 instead, by comparison Titegroup makes 9mm feel like a hand cannon. So, these don't seem like slow powders to me. -z. This is a top choice for 9 MM. 6 fps 15. Now, subjectively , to me, n320 is softer shooting. I don't mind using titegroup, but its I'm wanting to know if switching to n320 is worth the additional cost vs titegroup. Started with 7gr, the problem went away and I had more or less consistent results. 7 or 5. 8gr gives me 900fps at a 1. N330 performed poorly for me but a couple a guys used it a few years ago for steel loads with the 115gr JHP as well. Go too deep with oal and the case will bulge, causing issues with seating in the cylinder. Titegroup is a good choice. I routinely get single digit SD's with this powder though it doesnt seem to meter to well in my 650. Reply 4. 800 g/cc and 95% must pass through a screen of . I started talking up reloading more at my club and at GSSF matches and found that a heck of a lot of folks were using N320. Rated 5 out of 5. I've been meaning to try it, but I've got a pretty good reserve of Titegroup at this time. Accurate #2 Right. 5 D036 Ba 9 Unique N340 RS20 HS-6 3N37 CFE Pistol 800X A0 Herco BP 02 N350 Longshot No. TiteGroup has been the best I have ever used, however I haven't tried any of the 3 you posted earlier in the thread. I liked Titegroup in 38 short colt, accurate, clean burning, metered well. 4. A fast burning powder. Using a strong Taper Crimp unless your bullets have a crimp groove/cannelure. Titegroup on left, IMR 4756 in middle, N320 on right. 2 grains of Titegroup generates about 1,050 fps and offers good accuracy. I'm using 3. I prefer WSF for a middle ground. I don't like Titegroup because I don't like how it measures. Whats that make? 138pf ? I'm 4. 5gr N320 were a 940 average over 15 shots. But buying 10k+ defense/match grade loads is expensive AF. g. Titegroup has it all over N320 regarding cost, but as far as accuracy, and certainly cleanliness, the Vihtavuori powder The IMR brand was created under the DuPont Corporation. Sierra lists N320 as their ‘accuracy load’ in the . C. I shot TG under a 124 gr PD or MG for a couple of years. Newbie Which of these is a cleaner burn, and also if you have a nice complementary primer i would greatly appreciate it! Thanks in advance Share Add a I've switched from Titegroup to N320 because it burns cleaner, meters well, and recoil feels a little softer. Re: 45ACP, 185 JHP Loads? All interesting loads but I'm surprised VihtaVuori N320 wasn't mentioned. 18 USPSA - 146 grain Blue Bullets Flat Point, 2. N320. For those of you who use these powders, could you list your observations regarding things such as Titegroup’s unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Up until now, I have shot thousands of 124 gr plated and jacked bullets using 4. 4gr @ 1. 0469 inch. Multiple back to back blind tests with my wife confirmed the Competition shot noticeably softer than N320. Titegroup is a double-base powder with a very I need a powder that can do minor 9 loads and major 40 loads (also desired to do close to minor 40 loads). Powder equivalents Note: This table shows only approximate equivalent values within about 5%. WST. I normally run N320 with no issues, but I wanted to see what TG looked like since it is half the price. When compared to any sort of major load, this is a joke. HP-38 was really dirty and was super temperature sensitive, and I've had quite a bit of luck with ETR-7 and Titegroup. Also according to the article shot to shot consistency was excellent. W231/HP38, and so on? It seems like this could be a useful resource, maybe printed out in poster-size and hung over your bench. 37 cc disk, exactly 4. N320 @ 1. May have some WIN and RP in the mix. As can be seen on the burn rate chart, Hodgdon’s Titegroup falls into the category of fast-burning powders. 0 will be right. velocity data. I tried N320 because that's the Voodoo. If any of you have used N320 to get to 850fps with a 230gr jacketed bullet, please share your data. No. I get lower ES and SD valves then with N320, and better accuracy with less powder to reach the same speeds. 4 fps 13. Accuracy potential is high, and the powder burns clean. I have Ramshot Silhouette and Accurate #7 powders, losing mixed brass with CCI 500 primers. 7 grains Titegroup 808. Find a fast burning powder you like and stick with it. 3 gn sometimes. Classifieds; 278 They are the softest rounds I have used (I have also used 147s with 3. Tried Titegroup, it runs hot recoils hard and is a bit dirty. Alliant Green Dot My statements are comparing my BullsEye, TiteGroup, Trail Boss, Clays, HS-6, Unique, 2400, H110, N340, N110, 3N37, and other handloads. 3 gn. Best bet is to start at the low end, increase towards max and test them with a chrono. That puts me right at 171 pf and that also seemed to be the most accurate load. Nothing is "softer" than clays with heavy bullets, but thats just me For anyone using N320 to reload, what is your formula to achieve at least above 124 power factor? I’m switching from Titegroup to Vihtavuori. Getting 2 to 2. 8 TG, 5. 2 COL~1. bill clancy. My question is if NV320 and TiteGroup were the same price would that There are several powders that are commonly used for . containers. 7gr N320 to make 171pf at the same length and same gun). But the best would be from your reloading manual check the powders for the bullet you are using and look at others results with that powder. There is no exposed lead and the bullet seats easily. Available in 1 lb. duPont arrived in America in 1800 determined to make an improved gunpowder and, by 1802, was producing gunpowder in a new plant along the Brandywine River in Wilmington, Delaware (this plant morphed into what is today the GOEX brand of black powder). Posted August 16, 2020. Powders like Vihtavuori N320, Hodgdon CFE Pistol, and Winchester AutoComp are The same amount of VV N320 works just as well and burns a bit cleaner. Using H110 for . 5gr, wow what a difference! *** Burn Rate Comparison Chart << FASTEST 1. Vihtavuori offers reloading data for nearly a hundred different handgun and rifle calibers and for shotgun loads, with numerous bullet options for The normal powders for 9mm are titegroup cfe pistol and power pistol. 3gr of TiteGroup and 4. At 7 yards, the ones at 7. Winchester 244 Mid. Pleasant recoil impulse and the sights track really well. I tried 5. My experience with N320 and Titegroup has shown 320 to be both cleaner and softer shooting than Titegroup. Hodgdon Titegroup 11. My question is if NV320 and TiteGroup were the same price would that Hello, I am brand new to reloading and looking for some recommendations and and load data to use for 147gr FP Black Bullet International (BBI) and 147gr blue bullets both RN and FP. I like N320 for 9mm and 38 Super in minor. Once I started the VV powders I never went back. I'm getting ~40fps extreme spread in my 9mm minor loads. 7 grains of Vihtavuori N320, OAL 1. Plus in my area you can get titegroup for $16-18 a pound and can't titegroup is somewhere between clays and N320 I believe. 6gr of N320 with 115gr Bayou. The high performance powder. 8g N320 or 3. Bullseye would be better for the same application than Titegroup. but I got 16lbs for free. 4 grains of Silhouette meh. I have PD 124gr JHP's on order. . Scot Royal D 18. I'm considering loading them with Titegroup, since me and everyone I know normally shoot coated bullets, and we have some Titegroup hanging around unused. Ramshot Zip 24. 20 with Blue Bullets 180 RNFP. 16, 124gr PD Fmj's, the other day, it was the most accurate load I tried with the CZ75, the Glock 19 didn't like it at all, most accurate in the Glock was 4. Prints to the same POI as my 147 Speer G2 ammo. Liked N320 better than TG, although TG is good and cheap.  The preferred handgun calibers for which N320 is used are 9mm and 38 Special. 38SPCL, (in a couple of weights). 2 with a 158 Berry Plated. Burn Rate Analysis. I tried VV n320 on whim, and I never looked back. Powders like Vihtavuori N320, Hodgdon CFE Pistol, and Winchester AutoComp are Those are my two mains also, luckily I stocked up before it vanished. 1 grains Titegroup 915. I have flirted with 231/HP 38, HERCO, RED DOT/PROMO and POWER PISTOL, N320 vs titegroup . Depending on use you can download a bit. The above posters gave good advice. Jan Another vote for either Titegroup or N320. 40 so far I know that TiteGroup was specifically NOT recommended, but I have never had a problem with it (other than very inconsistent accuracy). (In my experience with a Hornady measure, Unique is +/- 0. 5” groups at 25 yards, just resting on the bench. 5 gr Vhtavouri N310, Hodgdon TiteGroup. Powder equivalents. Beyond that, use lead bullet data. SR7625, HP-38, Red Dot, Solo1000 to name a few. Made in the USA. I think it would be kinda fun to download my major loads, but switch over to blue bullets 165 RNFP from my current staple the 180 RNFP. rjk454bfr. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the TiteGroup is good for gamer loads because it won't be as dirty as Unique with plated or jacketed bullets, however I wouldn't recommend it for lead loads burns too hot. I have to try more of the Alliant powders. Minuteman. If you are wanting to try a VithaVuori that has about the same burn rate as 231 that would be N320. 1 gr Titegroup I get about 132 pf. 2 WSL Red Dot AS PB Clays Int’l Solo 1250 473 American Select N32C SR7625PromoZip P804A1 Green Dot P803 Clays Univer. 5-4. In general, for low pressure rounds (. Posted October 16, 2004. I think it's because very low powder charge doesn't get consistent ignition in a big case like . 8lbs of Titegroup on the way because it was available. Pros and Cons of Different Powders for the . See how they all leave like a "sandy" residue in case, and in gun? its barely noticeable and not that dirty really, its I use 147g blue bullets, 3. As usual, your mileage may vary, and you should proceed with caution, and if you don’t already have one, get yourself a chronograph so you can validate your BBI uses a different coating than Blue bullets as far as I know. TITEGROUP is a double base, spherical We had the most of titegroup powder so 90 % was tested with it. If your loading tapered hulls. And it doesn't I've been shooting USPSA for a couple of years and, ever since I began, I have heard people praising the glories of VV N320. Chuckc Discussion starter 109 posts · Joined 2009 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Dec 31, 2012. It's very clean and consistent, and easily makes power factor. I've also shot 4. Bullseye is far superior to Titegroup for 45 acp whether full power or reduced target loads with any bullet weight. 8-5. We’ve tried these powders in a variety of . I'm loading 147's with 3. We’ve tried all those powders in a variety of . SteveT Posts: 1101 Join date: 2011-06-10 Location: Illinois. 6gr N320 with a Berry's 147gr is sweet. I typically load with Titegroup and recently bought N320 so I have those two on hand. Using 230 Gr FMJ bullets and Winchester Primers, what load should I look to use? Hodgdon Data: Bullet Weight (Gr. Otherwise a nice shooting powder. 09 OAL I ended up using 4. 357Sig with Accurate #9. Lead/Coated Charge Difference. HDY FMJ FP Vihtavuori Reloading Data for rifle, handgun and shotgun loads Ensure a successful and safe reloading result. I use N320 for matches and Solo for practice stuff with moly bullets and 9mm Production loads. As noted above, Titegroup is very dense so when the data says to use a Figure-8 wad, don't. C. 98gr more Titegroup powder. 356" and at 1. 2. HP38 Left. 3750 crimp. 4 744 Start 149 XTP 200 TiteGroup 3. I'd 4. inuc rlw sylbnm yhzjadzzb xilyby sdl yijuhf vbv suyv jdgkmads